Silly Twits, Again

This is kind of long. Fair warning.
Oh, where to start? I was invited to make ad hominem attacks, but I will just have to seen where it goes. I’m sure I can work in a little ad hominem in the final couple of paragraphs anyhow.

Dear John,

Nice, Polite, not too threatening. Could be construed as an attack if it wasn’t my name.
OK, Dear Andrew, because that’s how you sign yourself. Thank you for replying. It is rare that I get anything from progressives other that profanity laced sputterings of vast conspiracies and plots involving the U.S. government, George W. Bush and the Zionist world conspiracy. As was noted in my first email I still think you are all silly twits. You should feel honored, I have known many Australians over the years and do not consider many to be silly twits. It is a very small club and you should feel privileged to be included.

Preempting the findings of UN weapons inspectors, due to be presented on January 27,.

Preempting the findings? How is he doing this? The inspectors will be reporting to the UN on Monday Jan 27th whether Bush likes it or not. The UN Security Council has said in UN 1441

Recognizing the threat Iraq’s noncompliance with council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,

The inspectors are supposed to be reporting on their progress. Please note that the inspectors were to be given

“unrestricted rights of entry into and out of Iraq, the right to free, unrestricted, and immediate movement to and from inspection sites, and the right to inspect any sites and buildings, including immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to presidential sites”

not the right to play hide and seek. Obviously things can be hidden in a country the size of Iraq that are going to be hard to locate without the full compliance of those involved. Then there’s the things which have been discovered The Telegraph – UN inspectors uncover proof of Saddam’s nuclear bomb plans. I’m not sure just how this shows evidence for compliance but I’m sure you will want to take a swing at it.
By the way, please don’t give me the standard “the evidence is faked, the witnesses are lying and George W. Bush did it.” routine, it just doesn’t wash.

[T]he Bush Administration has plans to bomb Baghdad, a city of five million people. This would cause a humanitarian catastrophe equivalent to a heavy air bombardment of Los Angeles.

I wasn’t aware that you were privy to the plan the Americans have made for Iraq. I’m sure someone made this statement and you immediately took it as gospel. If the U.S. is planning a bombardment of Baghdad, which is entirely likely, it may or may not be “equivalent to a heavy air bombardment of Los Angeles”, it depends on what you think the damage will be. It could be the damage will be comparable to the fire damage at Canberra or even less. People who spend their time painting garage doors are not normally considered to be the best qualified people to make bomb damage assessments. There are people who are specifically trained in that field. To the best of my knowledge none are currently working for any of the “peace” organizations .

A report issued by UN planners on December 10, 2002 (http://www.casi.org.uk) estimates that 500,000 people are likely to be injured in a US-led attack.

If you follow the link you will see that the page belongs to the “Committee Against Sanctions on Iraq” a fine nonpartisan group with absolutely no ax to grind. The report is based partially on the following premise:

Unlike the progression of the military intervention in 1991, a future confrontation is expected to develop beyond the preparatory, and relatively short, aerial bombardment of infrastructure, towns, and cities into potentially a large scale and protracted ground offensive, supported by aerial and conventional bombardment.

In other words, for the purposes of this paper they are going to assume that this is going to be a fierce WWI type conflict. Although this would result in the high casualty rate that they need for their predictions, it is very unlikely unless Iraq has and uses the very WMD which the “peace” organizations insist that they do not have. If chemical and biological weapons are used against U.S. troops, I would not expect a wild, flailing attack lashing out at the civilian population. This type of attack is much more in keeping with Iraqi doctrine than U.S. It is possible that some civilians will die because Saddam has placed his forces amongst them. This should not reflect on the Americans but rather Saddam for placing them there. Using civilian populations as well as “human shields” to deflect attack on your military targets is criminal and against the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War (Article 28). Every good “peace” activist should know that.

Many more civilians are likely to die from longer-term effects of a bombing, including environmental damage and the destruction of food supplies, agriculture and critical infrastructure, such as pharmaceutical plants and hospitals. Officials from international aid agencies warn of widespread humanitarian disaster in the event of a bombing.

We’ve heard this song before, it wasn’t true then and isn’t now. The U.S. military is more that capable of taking care of short-term problems such as food and medicine. Just who are these “officials of international aid agencies”? Are these the same ones that made the identical prediction in Afghanistan? Well, I guess it could happen, but it’s not very likely. The so-called UN document that is referenced above rejects any comparison with 1991 or the situation in Afghanistan largely because the Iraqis in Baghdad are not as rural and are more reliant on the government for their food, medicine, etc. The arguments they make are very weak and depend on everything resulting in worst case scenarios. You make plans for the worst case, but you also structure your attack so that they do not occur. I am confidant that the U.S. military can move enough food and medicine to care for the people. In fact, that is one of the things that the military is very good at.

Consider the effects that a US-led attack would result in:

”Would result in”? You mean that these conditions absolutely will happen regardless of what one does? Or do you mean “may result in”, that is; it is within the realm of possibility that these things could happen?

The destruction of civilian infrastructure: Public health officials fear widespread outbreaks of cholera, typhoid and malaria as a result of water contamination if the US bombs electricity grids that power Iraq’s water treatment and sewage plants as it did in 1991.

Again, what “public health” officials? Real ones or spokesmen for the Iraqi government? What was the incidence in 1991? Why is it expected to be higher today. Why is this the fault of the Americans rather that the Iraqi dictator?

Twelve years of US-led sanctions have left Iraq’s public health sector without basic medicines or supplies to contend with outbreaks of waterborne diseases.

These problems don’t exist in Northern Iraq which is not under Saddam’s control. It seems to be confined to the central portion of the country where he still can control the distribution of supplies. Saddam seems to have ample money to build gigantic palaces all over the country and pay bonuses to Palestinian suicide bombers. Why is a dictators inhumane practices considered the fault of the Americans? Are the Americans the only people that are capable of free thought and actions? Is the Iraqi leader incapable of having any thoughts or ideas other that those in response to American actions?

Radioactive weapons: The US arsenal includes radioactive uranium-tipped bombs known to cause cancer and severe birth defects.

Known to who? There has been a bunch of scare stories with no facts to back them up. This is another one of those “facts” that everyone knows but no one can substantiate. If you want to know about DU ammunition,(which are not “uranium tipped bombs” anyway) check out this post by Stephen Den Beste were he takes apart one of those hysterical “We’re All Gonna Die!” pieces by Harold Pinter

Nobel Peace Prize nominee [and anti-nuclear activist] Dr. Helen Caldicott reports that southern Iraq has experienced a six to 12-fold increase in incidences of childhood leukemia and cancer since depleted uranium was dropped on the area in 1991.

Dr Caldicott is probably a nice lady. She makes her living scaring the shit out of people and wants to continue eating. She is best known as an anti-nuclear activist (with the attending failure to disclose all the facts) Dr Caldicott has conducted no original research and can provide no epidemiological evidence to back up her claims.

Mass hunger: Iraqis are fearful that the US will bomb food facilities as it did in Iraq in 1991 and in Afghanistan in 2001. As a consequence of sanctions, over 60 percent of Iraqis are dependent on monthly food rations from the government. Aid officials warn that food distribution is almost certain to be disrupted by bombing and that more than three million people will face hunger or starvation in the event of a war.

Yeah. We all remember the mass starvation that occurred in Afghanistan don’t we? Any that occurred in Iraq should be properly attributed to Saddam, as he was the one still in charge in Iraq after Bush I foolishly decided to end the hostilities early and allowed Saddam to sign a cease-fire agreement that he had no intention of living up to.

A million Iraqis killed by sanctions: Iraq’s civilian population is already extremely vulnerable as a result of US-led economic sanctions and intermittent bombing by US and British forces. According to UNICEF and the World Health Organization, sanctions have resulted in the deaths of more than one million people to date. Nearly 60 percent of the dead are children under the age of seven, most of whom died from starvation and preventable disease, such as dehydration caused by diarrhea.

UNICEF and WHO are just repeating numbers which were provided by the Iraqi government. There is absolutely no corroboration of the deaths and in fact, there has been credible reports of children’s bodies being exhumed, frozen and sent to Baghdad for display to news crews as “victims of sanctions”

If you are somebody who would wish this on a people who are in no way a threat to you or your way of life, then you should seriously take a look at the people around you – your family and friends – and imagine the same happening to them. It’s simply about having some decent, human values.

In the short term, certainly it is difficult. But continuing to do nothing and allowing Saddam to increase is weapons capability is just postponing the inevitable. Just packing up and leaving is going to do nothing. Saddam will continue to arm and eventually achieve a nuclear weapon. (he was very close before the Gulf War) Allowing a weapon of such power to fall into the hands of an uneducated uncaring bully would certainly destabilize the area in ways that we would not find pleasant. Maybe you consider allowing people to remain under the control of a vicious sadistic dictator is “about having some decent, human values”, but I don’t

The problem with conservatives such as yourself is that you never really have any valid arguments.

Oh, this must be the part where I get to the ad hominem arguments. I’m certainly glad that you progressives keep such an open mind.

You simply lash out with personal, vituperative attacks and name-calling.

You’re certainly right about that. “Progressives” never stoop to that level. That’s why we don’t see the “Bush as Hitler” signs and are never lectured about the Worldwide Zionist Conspiracy.

We kind of just feel sorry for you, as you are so passive. At least we are attempting to actively express our beliefs. To enact your beliefs, it would mean you would have to enlist to go and fight in the war you desire so much and I’m sure you do not hold convictions strong enough to do that. In short, if you had any balls, you’d pick up a gun and go off to Iraq yourself, wouldn’t you?

Ah, yes. The “Chickenhawk” defense. “Oh, if you’re so brave why aren’t you going with them.” Well I’m sorry Junior, been there, done that. U.S Army retired 21 years (1967-1989) Try that shit with someone else.
When you’re through “actively expressing your beliefs” could you come over. My garage door is looking kind of shabby. Do you have any references?

By the way, if you look closely, we are not trying to sell our art – at no point on our websites is there any option to buy it. Any act of creativity is important in countering the destructive urges of the feeble-minded.

Yeah kid, I’m sure. No direct selling, but it sure won’t hurt your sales to get mentioned on the right pages in the newspaper about ‘heroic artists for peace’ or something like that. If the art world in Australia is anything like the US, it’s a small incestuous clique that thrives on pretension and political correctness.

Cheers,
Andrew

Cheers, John Dunshee, USA, Staff Sergeant (retired)

You Silly Twits

After reading the following on Tim Blair‘s weblog:

ATTENTION, PHOTOSHOPPERS! An Australian peacenik group has launched Garage Doors Against The War, which aims to debase garage doors nationwide with various dove symbols and appeasement messages. The few examples they have at present (click around on the site) could stand some photoshop improvement.
Or you can create your own photoshopped garage art and send it to them.

I checked out the website and sent them the following e-mail;

There are people dying, hungry and being tortured (I mean real torture, not being forced to talk to a woman.) all over the world by sadistic dictators like Hussein, Mugabe and Kim Jong Il but all you twits want to do is paint silly slogans on your garage doors.

I’m sure you are hoping that this “compassionate” form of protest will lead to greater publicity resulting in increased sales for your “art”, but it will not do a damn thing for people already suffering.

I know you don’t think that the U.S. and George W. should be taking any action at all, but, of course, you would be equally outraged if the U.S. sat on the sidelines and did nothing. It is, after all, the “progressive” thing to do.

For all the posturing I have seen by self-styled progressives, I have not seen one single proposal to deal with the problems of a nuclear armed Saddam or “Muslim Anger” other than staying home and hoping the next attack doesn’t happen to anyone you know.

Have fun!. Hope you make lots of money so you can afford to whine about Capitalism
.

In return I received the following:

Dear John,

Preempting the findings of UN weapons inspectors, due to be presented on January 27, the Bush Administration has plans to bomb Baghdad, a city of five million people. This would cause a humanitarian catastrophe equivalent to a heavy air bombardment of Los Angeles. A report issued by UN planners on December 10, 2002 (http://www.casi.org.uk) estimates that 500,000 people are likely to be injured in a US-led attack. Many more civilians are likely to die from longer-term effects of a bombing, including environmental damage and the destruction of food supplies, agriculture and critical infrastructure, such as pharmaceutical plants and hospitals. Officials from international aid agencies warn of widespread humanitarian disaster in the event of a bombing.
Consider the effects that a US-led attack would result in:

The destruction of civilian infrastructure: Public health officials fear widespread outbreaks of cholera, typhoid and malaria as a result of water contamination if the US bombs electricity grids that power Iraq’s water treatment and sewage plants as it did in 1991. Twelve years of US-led sanctions have left Iraq’s public health sector without basic medicines or supplies to contend with outbreaks of waterborne diseases.
Radioactive weapons: The US arsenal includes radioactive uranium-tipped bombs known to cause cancer and severe birth defects. Nobel Peace Prize nominee Dr. Helen Caldicott reports that southern Iraq has experienced a six to 12-fold increase in incidences of childhood leukemia and cancer since depleted uranium was dropped on the area in 1991.

Mass hunger: Iraqis are fearful that the US will bomb food facilities as it did in Iraq in 1991 and in Afghanistan in 2001. As a consequence of sanctions, over 60 percent of Iraqis are dependent on monthly food rations from the government. Aid officials warn that food distribution is almost certain to be disrupted by bombing and that more than three million people will face hunger or starvation in the event of a war.
A million Iraqis killed by sanctions: Iraq’s civilian population is already extremely vulnerable as a result of US-led economic sanctions and intermittent bombing by US and British forces. According to UNICEF and the World Health Organization, sanctions have resulted in the deaths of more than one million people to date. Nearly 60 percent of the dead are children under the age of seven, most of whom died from starvation and preventable disease, such as dehydration caused by diarrhea.

If you are somebody who would wish this on a people who are in no way a threat to you or your way of life, then you should seriously take a look at the people around you – your family and friends – and imagine the same happening to them. It’s simply about having some decent, human values.

The problem with conservatives such as yourself is that you never really have any valid arguments. You simply lash out with personal, vituperative attacks and name-calling. We kind of just feel sorry for you, as you are so passive. At least we are attempting to actively express our beliefs. To enact your beliefs, it would mean you would have to enlist to go and fight in the war you desire so much and I’m sure you do not hold convictions strong enough to do that. In short, if you had any balls, you’d pick up a gun and go off to Iraq yourself, wouldn’t you?

By the way, if you look closely, we are not trying to sell our art – at no point on our websites is there any option to buy it. Any act of creativity is important in countering the destructive urges of the feeble-minded.

Cheers,
Andrew

Although I perceived, wrongfully I’m sure, hostility toward me. (Well, I admit, I was not very charitable toward them, but I’m sure that because they are caring, tolerant and forgiving human beings they would take the high road and not reciprocate. OK, I was wrong, so sue me.) Because I would not want to be accused of using their e-mail without permission, I did ask permission before posting any of this exchange on my blog.

Thank you for your prompt reply. I will take the information you provided under advisement. As you may have noticed from my signature, I have a weblog. Do you mind if I post my letter and your response on it?

And promptly received the following:

You can use it if you like, but I would like to see what you actually use from it. Based on what I’ve seen of your blog, you – like most people of your political persuasion – can only argue ad hominem.

I certainly admire the open-mindedness that this shows and will be more than happy to argue ad hominem.

Iberian Notes Wonders What People Will Believe.

What Do You Believe?

What I find amazing are all the educated, intelligent people who are perfectly willing to believe that mobile phones fry their brains, that Monsanto is trying to take over the world, that the CIA or the Mafia or the Teamsters killed Kennedy, that there’s a conspiracy between the government, the referees, and some obscure figures with “muchos intereses” to screw FC Barcelona out of the League again this year, that opening the window when it’s hot outside is bad for you, that you can catch a cold if the wind blows on you, that crystals have a lot of power and so do pyramids and that everyone has an energy field (and that mine is negative), that feng fuckin’ shui is something more than a millenarian superstition, that electric power lines give off radiation, that there are people out there who pay untold sums of money to watch snuff movies, that there are Satanic cults sacrificing babies infiltrating our nursery schools, that it’s possible to lose weight without eating less, exercising more, or both, that AIDS is a plot by the federal government to exterminate blacks or gays or both, that the CIA was running drugs from Nicaragua into the USA to fund the contras, that you can learn a foreign language by paying thousands of dollars and sitting at a computer terminal, that the US Army had hit squads to kill deserters in Vietnam, that O.J.’s son was the one who really did it, or that this whole war thing is a devilish plot cooked up between the oil companies, the Pentagon, the arms manufacturers, Dick Cheney, and the Bavarian Fuckin’ Illuminati, yet they are unwilling to believe that there are governments and organizations out there that are working together with the goal of destroying everything that we all cherish about our Western society and that maybe we ought to take action against them now while we still can rather than wait until we can’t anymore.

Link fromInstaPundit.Com